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Koyuki Sky
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Date Posted: 4 years ago
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J
4 years ago

√(x² + 3x + 7)

= √(x² + 2(3/2)x + (3/2)² - (3/2)² + 7)

= √(x + 3/2)² + 4¾)



√(x² + 3x - 9)

= √(x² + 2(3/2)x + (3/2)² - (3/2)² - 9)

= √((x + 3/2)² - 11¼)



Now (x + 3/2)² - 11¼ ≥ 0 in order for √((x + 3/2)² - 11¼) to be a real value.

(Cannot square root a negative value at this level. It has to be 0 or positive.
And this also means √((x + 3/2)² - 11¼) ≥ 0 for all real x)


So (x + 3/2)² - 11¼ ≥ 0
Then (x + 3/2)² ≥ 11¼



But if (x + 3/2)² ≥ 11¼,
then (x + 3/2)² + 4¾ ≥ 11¼ + 4¾

(x + 3/2)² + 4¾ ≥ 16
√((x + 3/2)² + 4¾) ≥ √16
√((x + 3/2)² + 4¾) ≥ 4



Since √((x + 3/2)² + 4¾) ≥ 4 when √((x + 3/2)² - 11¼) ≥ 0,


Then
√((x + 3/2)² + 4¾) + √((x + 3/2)² - 11¼) ≥ 4 for all real x.

Which means that

√(x² + 3x + 7) + √(x² + 3x - 9) ≥ 4 ≠ 2 for all real x.

So it can never be equal 2 and there are no real roots

(edit: there is actually no solution for this equation, not even complex roots)
J
J
4 years ago
It is not accurate to say that there will always be an imaginary root to the equation. For this equation there is actually no solution, not even complex/imaginary ones.

What you have done is to equate each quadratic expression to 0 first, and then applied the quadratic formula. But you cannot do this as the equation did not equate either to 0.

√(x² + 3x + 7) is actually real for all real x and exists since it equals :

√((x + 3/2)² + 4¾)

And since (x + 3/2) ≥ 0 for all real x ,
(x + 3/2) + 4¾ ≥ 4¾ > 0

Which means √((x + 3/2)² + 4¾) > 0 for all real x.
Eric Nicholas K
Eric Nicholas K
4 years ago
Let u = x² + 3x - 9

Then we are trying to solve

sqrt (u + 16) + sqrt u = 2

The difference of 16 between u and u + 16, combined with the fact that u >= 0, makes the equation have a minimum value of 4 for all real values of u. We cannot find any value of x satisfying the equation.

So, the original equation does not have any real roots.
J
J
4 years ago
Not accurate to say for all real values of u either. It is strictly for all u ≥ 0 only
J
J
4 years ago
Extended : (finding the range of x)


(x + 3/2)² - 11¼ ≥ 0

(x + 3/2)² ≥ 11¼

|x + 3/2| ≥ √11¼

x + 3/2 ≥ √11¼ or x + 3/2 ≤ -√11¼

x ≥ √11¼ - 3/2 or x ≤ -√11¼ - 3/2

x ≥ 3/2 (√5 - 1) or x ≤ -3/2 (√5 + 1)
Jerusha Singh
Jerusha Singh
4 years ago
i'm not sure whether you would use this method, but you could perhaps use the discriminant to show that the result cannot be calculated, as b^2-4ac for both square roots is negative, and negative numbers cannot be squared.
J
J
4 years ago
The issue with that is, you are directly equating each quadratic expression to 0, which is not what the equation shows.

Furthermore the discriminant is actually positive for x² + 3x -9 and not negative

i.e
3² - 4(1)(-9) = 45 > 0
Lim En Jie
Lim En Jie
4 years ago
How about equating each equation to less than equal to 2?

Since sqrt(x^2+3x+7) + sqrt(x^2+3x-9) =2, either sqrt(x^2+3x+7) or sqrt(x^2+3x-9) must be less than or equal to 2. If one of them is 2 the other will have to be 0.

I’ve tried this and the following are the steps;

sqrt(x^2+3x+7) ≤ 2
x^2+3x+7 ≤ 4
x^2+3x+3 ≤ 0

By b^2-4ac, no real roots (only complex) therefore sqrt(x^2+3x+7) + sqrt(x^2+3x-9) ≠ 2.
J
J
4 years ago
The square root cannot be negative
(since we are dealing with principal values eg. √4 = 2 and not -2) so the part where 0 ≤ √(x² + 3x + 7) has to be included as well.


So the inequality should be :

0 ≤ √(x² + 3x + 7) ≤ 2
0 ≤ √((x + 3/2)² + 4¾) ≤ 2

Next,


For all real values of x (real roots),
(x + 3/2)² ≥ 0
Then (x + 3/2)² + 4¾ ≥ 4¾ > 4
√((x + 3/2)² + 4¾) ≥ √4¾ > 2

So √(x² + 3x + 7) > 2 for all real roots/real values of x. This in turn means there are no real roots for 0 ≤ √(x² + 3x + 7) ≤ 2


Or

Using discriminant as per your method.

0 ≤ x² + 3x + 7 ≤ 4

Then 0 ≤ x² + 3x + 7 and x² + 3x + 3 ≤ 0

Discriminants are -19 and -3 , which < 0 so there are no real roots.


However it should be noted that even though there are complex roots for each value between 0 and 4 (inclusive) that is equated to x² + 3x + 7 ,

Eg x² + 3x + 7 = 4,
x² + 3x + 7 = 3.5
x² + 3x + 7 = 0.8 etc.

it is not possible to get a range for the values since there are 2 dimensions in the complex number (real and imaginary)

Furthermore, for any complex root satisfying 0 ≤ x² + 3x + 7 ≤ 4, it would result in the following :

-16 ≤ x² + 3x - 9 ≤ -12

So these roots cannot satisfy 0 ≤ x² + 3x - 9 ≤ 4, meaning that there are also no complex roots for the whole equation.


Now for the other one,

0 ≤ √(x² + 3x - 9) ≤ 2 as well since the two square roots have to add up to 2.

0 ≤ ((x + 3/2)² - 11¼) ≤ 4

For all real values of x (real roots),
(x + 3/2)² ≥ 0

Then (x + 3/2)² - 11¼ ≥ -11¼

So there are real values that can satisfy the inequality 0 ≤ x² + 3x - 9 ≤ 4

But this also leads to 16 ≤ x² + 3x + 7 ≤ 20, which will not satisfy 0 ≤ x² + 3x + 7 ≤ 4.

So overall, there are no real or complex roots satisfying the whole equation.

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I initially made the mistake of equating each sqrt to 0 which is wrong. Think the approach for this question is to consider the “cases” in which this equation would be true. Each sqrt must be ≤ to 2 or = 0 (but not negative since you dealing with positive sqrt). That being said, you will be able to form inequalities to solve for b^2-4ac of which you’d realise the first sqrt has no real roots that satisfy the given equation “=2”. What a question lol there’s quite a line to connect for the dots they provide.